Proposed New Health Care Info

[mckee1952]

Subject: Senior health

SENIOR DEATH WARRANTS:

The actress Natasha Richardson died, after falling, while skiing in Canada. It took 8 hours to drive her to a hospital. If Canada had our healthcare she might be alive today. In the United States, we have medical evacuation helicopters that would have gotten her to the hospital in 30 minutes..

In England anyone over 59 cannot receive heart repairs or stents or bypass because it is not covered, as being too expensive and not needed.

Obama wants to have a healthcare system just like Canada's and England's.

I got this today and am sending it on. If Obama's plans in other areas don't scare you, this one should.

Please do not let Obama sign senior death warrants.

Everybody that is on this mai ling list is either a senior citizen, is getting close or knows somebody that is.

Most of you know by now that the Senate version (at least) of the "stimulus" Bill includes provisions for extensive rationing of health care for senior citizens.

The author of this part of the bill, former senator and tax evader, Tom Daschle, was credited today by Bloomberg with the following statement: Daschle says "health-care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them." (well wouldn't you know!!)




If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that our esteemed Senators and Congressmen have their own FAMILY healthcare plan, that is first ($)dollar or very low co-pay, which they are guaranteed the remainder of their lives ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THIS NEW LAW IF IT PASSES.


Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. We have an election coming up in one year and nine months. And we have the ability to address and reverse the dangerous direction the Obama administration and its allies have begun and in the interim, we can GET THEIR ATTENTION. Lets do this!

THE ONLY CHANGE I'VE SEEN SO FAR IS WHAT'S IN MY RIGHT HAND POCKET, AND THAT'LL BE GONE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES FORTHCOMING.

[mckee1952]

Please take the time to review the following comments re: the 1,017 page
health care bill pending in congress.  We all need to be aware and
proactive with our respective elected representatives regarding this
"reform" that is being pushed without adequate reading and review as the
previous "stimulus" and "tarp" funding was also presented

http://Http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf


It's 1,017 pages long, and apparently nobody has read all of it, but
here are some tidbits. For anyone over 50, it's gets scarier the farther
down you go:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all
employers that self insure. Small businesses will abandon self insurance
and go on Government insurance. So although proponents say that there
will still be private health care, it's simply a lie: this mandate will
force employers to abandon their private plans.

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill ? a Government committee will decide what
treatments/benefits a person may receive.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - Your healthcare will be rationed (as
it is in Canada and Britain ).

Pg 42 of HC Bill ? The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC
Benefits for you. You will have no choice.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US
citizens, illegal or otherwise. Citizens and legal residents will pay.

Pg 58 HC Bill ? Government will have real-time access to individual's
finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued.

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your
bank accts for funds transfer.

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their
families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an Health Care Exchange to bring
private Health Care plans under Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for
private Health Care plans in the Exchange.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans = The
Government will ration your Healthcare.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate
services. Example - Translate into English for illegal aliens.

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN &
Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government Health Care plan.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP
members - your Health care WILL be rationed. Fewer services as you age
and are deemed less valuable.

Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be
automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC - No company can sue Government on price fixing.
No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ AMA - The Government will tell
doctors what they can earn.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public
option plan. No choice.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for Health Care for part time
employees AND their families. (Incentive for employers to cut payroll,
particularly for part-timers.)

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not
provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k who
don't provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable Health
Care according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual
taxes. (Americans will pay.)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (government employees)
will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal medical
records.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be
treated as tax. " Actual wording.

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for
Medicaid. Seniors, low income, & poor affected.

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill ? Doctors ? doesn't matter what specialty ? will
all be paid the same. No incentive to specialize or to develop new
technologies.

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor's time, professional
judgment, etc. Literally, value of humans. Government payscale, no
incentive to stay in medicine or go through med school.

PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates & controls productivity for private
HC industries.

PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power
driven wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals - rationing of
treatment for cancer patients, no extension of life if incurable. Those
considered terminal will be allowed to die.

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what
Government deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors who treat a patient during initial admission
that results in a readmission - Government will penalize.

Pg 317 L 13-20 Prohibition on ownership/investment. Government tells
Doctors what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 Prohibition on expansion - Government will
mandate hospitals cannot expand.

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT
community input required.

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of
outcome-based measures (some illnesses can only be treated, not cured,
so expected outcome is not optimal), which forces health care rationing
and denial.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify private Medicare
Adv Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into Government plan.

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will restrict enrollment of Special Needs
people.

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth
Advisory Committee. Health Care by phone.

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning
Consultations (forced Senior Citizens end of life prodding).

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living
wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory, no choice.

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of
end-of-life resources, guiding you in how to die.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for
end-of-life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used
frequently as patients' health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for
end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Government will specify which doctors can write
an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment
you will have at end of life.

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services/Non profit orgs. (ACORN
Medical Services?)

Page 472 Lines 14-17 Payment to community-based organization (Again,
ACORN?)

PG 489 Sec 1308 Marriage & Family therapy, inserting government into
marriages.

Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services, including
defining, creating, rationing those services and keeping records in a
government database of treatment received or requestm

[GordMay]

Balderdash!

Further to: Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - Your healthcare will be rationed (as it is in Canada and Britain ).

In the current debate over health care reform, “rationing” has become a dirty word. But, health care is a scarce resource, and all scarce resources are rationed in one way or another.  In the US, your health care is rationed by your private (for profit) insurer.

It’s common for opponents of health care rationing to point to Canada and Britain as examples of where you might end up if you get “socialized medicine.”
On a blog on Fox News earlier this year, the conservative writer John Lott wrote, “Americans should ask Canadians and Brits — people who have long suffered from rationing — how happy they are with central government decisions on eliminating ‘unnecessary’ health care.”
As it happens, last year the Gallup organization did ask Canadians and Brits, and people in many different countries, if they have confidence in “health care or medical systems” in their country.
In Canada, 73 percent answered this question affirmatively.
Coincidentally, an identical percentage of Britons gave the same answer.
In the United States, despite spending much more, per person, on health care, the figure was only 56 percent.

Health Insurer Rationing

Health insurers ration care, but they don't call it rationing, and they don't even want you to realize that it is rationing. Dr. Rich Fogoros, the About.com Guide to Heart Disease gave this its own term. He calls it "covert rationing."

When insurance companies ration care, it's a money-saving measure, in part for the greater good, but also to preserve profits or raise salaries or other reasons that their customers disdain.

Rather than dwell on the reasons that frustrate us, suffice it to know that some of their rationing does keep premiums from getting any higher than they do, and does allow insurers to stay in business.

Health insurers ration your care by limiting the doctors you may visit because they negotiate fees with those doctors. They will only pay for you to visit the ones they have negotiated the lowest fees with.

Health insurers ration care through co-pays, deductibles and caps. In fact, what they are really doing is encouraging you to self-ration. Knowing that a certain amount of your care will have to be paid from your pocket, you may choose not to get the care or drug you need.

Health insurers deny services or reimbursements for services. Denial of care is perhaps the most understood form of rationing, because it causes outrage and frustration. What most patients don't understand is that this is also the aspect of rationing that is most affected by laws and regulations, too.

In many cases, those denials may be based on science or evidence that a treatment won't work, doesn't work well enough, or is too new. For example, many patients get frustrated that insurance won't reimburse for an alternative treatment. What the insurer will tell you is that there isn't enough evidence to prove that treatment will work.

In other cases, experimental, off-label drugs or new surgical approaches are too new to show enough evidence of success, so the insurance company will not reimburse for it.

In still other cases, a doctor may recommend a treatment that is shown to only benefit a small percentage of the people who have used it (usually in very difficult medical cases), and may also be very expensive, so the insurance company will decide it's not worth the high cost for so small a probability of success.

Remember, of course, the insurer isn't denying permission for the treatment. Rather, payment for the treatment is being denied. The patient can still participate in the treatment if she can pay for it herself.

Government Healthcare Rationing

Even the government rations healthcare. The difference between the government's rationing and the rationing conducted by health insurers is that there is no profit motive. The government, through Medicare or state Medicaid or other programs, keeps costs lower as much as possible in order to keeps taxes lower, or to expand care to others, both considered to be the greater good.

[Latitude 26]

Hey welcome aboard GordMay, thanks for joining!!!

[GordMay]

MORE BALDERDASH!!! 
You really don't further your cause, whatever that might be, by reproducing such patently false & foolish propaganda.

Further to: The actress Natasha Richardson died, after falling, while skiing in Canada. It took 8 hours to drive her to a hospital. If Canada had our healthcare she might be alive today. In the United States, we have medical evacuation helicopters that would have gotten her to the hospital in 30 minutes.



In fact, it took 20 minutes to drive her hospital.
In fact, Richardson was eventually flown by JET, from Montreal to New York city.   
In fact, Richardson declined treatment at the time of her accident.

On Monday, March 16 Richardson took a tumble on a beginner's hill at Mont Tremblant ski resort in Quebec. Feeling fine*, Richardson joked about the fall with a ski instructor who immediately came to her rescue. An ambulance was requested for Richardson after she  first fell; but when it arrived, the emergency workers were told they weren't needed.

"They never saw the patient," Yves  Coderre said,  director of operations whose company, Ambulances Radisson, serves Mont Tremblant. "So they turned around."

One hour after her fall Richardson was rushed to the Centre Hospitalier Laurentien in Ste-Agathe, Que. (about 20 minutes from the resort) after complaining of a headache. She was later transferred to Montreal's Hôpital du Sacré-Coeur.

Husband Liam Neeson flew from the Toronto set of Atom Egoyan's new film "Chloe" to join his wife. Rumours swirled that Richardson was on life support and brain dead. Other reports suggested Richardson was suffering from swelling of the brain.

On Tuesday, March 17 Neeson whisked his wife to a private jet waiting at Pierre Elliott Trudeau Airport at approximately 12:30 p.m. Richardson was airlifted to the United States. Unconfirmed reports at the time suggested that the Irish actor was taking Richardson to New York to spend her last hours with her family.

* Victims of head trauma can often make the potentially fatal mistake of thinking they are OK. When you have a head trauma you can bleed. It can deteriorate in a few hours or a few days.
 his wife. Rumours swirled that Richardson was on life support and brain dead. Other reports suggested Richardson was suffering from swelling of the brain.

[GordMay]

Half-truths and outright lies, told with a straight face, and the preoccupation with a debate between those who believe medical care is a human right to be equitably shared and those who consider it just another commodity, to be profitably sold, should sound a warning about what goes wrong when demagogues take the debate hostage.

Sarah Palin, a once and future aspirant to executive power, is setting the excessive tone for the medicare shouting match. Inflaming fear with fiction, last year's Republican vice-presidential candidate is blogging that Barack Obama's reforms would leave the fates of Trig, her Down syndrome son, and her aging parents, to "death panels."

Bizarre and unhitched from reality, Palin's wild hyperbole is fodder for a lunatic minority now mixing the old and new technologies of mob rule and web connectivity to escape the fringes. Across the U.S. they are silencing serious consideration of fixes to a broken system that maroons 46 million people without insurance and is a leading cause of personal bankruptcy.

Those politically convenient fantasies are data points on a trend line that predates today’s partisan “conservatives”. More important is early recognition that viral nastiness now infects this debate. Facts have fled, leaving the vacuum to be filled by public histrionics that sway public opinion with name-calling, finger pointing and character assassination.

That's corrosive, even in  countries as moderate as the USA & Canada. There’s an urgent need to infuse policy deliberation with logic, and politics with civility.

Elbows will always be high, in a rolling power struggle that rewards the winner with so much, and leaves the losers so little. But desperate politicians, and partisan interest groups who reinforce weak positions with gross distortions poorly serve the greater national good.